The debate over tone wood will soon be over.

Discussion in 'Guitar Building' started by TKOjams, Oct 18, 2014.

  1. Michael_P

    Michael_P Member

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    IC...you're one of the haters...nice to know...

    patent? you're design simply adds in another factor of friction and too boot is ugly...traditional slots looks sooo sexy when executed by a craftsman...
     
  2. otterhound

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    Apparently , you need some sleep .
    I successfully defended my design that you critiqued over on Facebook and you locked me out .
    Now , you want no one to question your results here .
    I say , defend your results rather than trying to marginalize any that would question them .
    Double standards are not scientific .
    You have solved nothing .
    Keep trying and you may succeed at some point .
     
  3. poro78

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    So all this yapping is just personal, eh? :D
     
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  4. otterhound

    otterhound New Member

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    I am dead serious about lacking scientific basis with the presentation of the final result .
    That aspect lacked objectivity because it wasn't blind .
    As far as the personal aspect , I believe that you will find that I used a subtle response by comparison to the open brazen approach taken by Bruce .
    I laughed at no one and still am not laughing at anyone .
     
  5. otterhound

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    You forgot to mention how well it works and how it adds break angle . This is of particular importance with single plane necks
    You also forgot to add how simple it is to implement and maintain .
    You also neglected that this design also allows for headstock shapes that are not possible with the conventional slot design .
    Thank you for your opinion .
    I understood going in that this was not for everyone simply because it is different .
    Where does my design add friction ?
    By the way , my 2 prototypes have been performing flawlessly for over 3 months now .
     
  6. HEADKNOCKER

    HEADKNOCKER Active Member

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    otterhound donated the beautiful piece of ambrosia maple for the maple body JFYI

    Good Luck with your patent pend headstock holes six extra nut thingy

    "Why All The HATE Here?"

    Maybe I should just find another place to waist my time
     
  7. otterhound

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    Thanks .
    That is a non provisional patent as of Oct. 20 .
    They are actually saddles .
    My first 2 prototypes utilized a stainless zero fret specifically for the purpose of reducing potential friction .
    I will be trying a standard nut setup down the road .
    While I used bone for my 2 prototypes , I will be experimenting with other materials .
    Oh yeah , my design doesn't require cutting a slot which in an of itself dramatically simplifies production and finishing .
    Stick around .
     
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  8. Adam

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    You think someone can change the way they play to make a guitar brighter or bassier? I just lost a lot of respect for you after reading your responses in this thread.

    I've got a patent, it's on something actually useful, and I make money on it regularly. Does that make me qualified enough to talk here?
     
  9. Adam

    Adam Well-Known Member

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    The first video he posted with sound samples was completely blind, and everyone could figure out which wood was which.
     
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  10. otterhound

    otterhound New Member

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    I did not see that .
     
  11. otterhound

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    You're projecting .
    I have never tried to silence you and never will .
    Since I was unaware of the clip with just A and B , I paid a listen .
    I have no doubt that had you played the same song twice with a mix of each individual guitar in each song that no one would have been able to detect it .
    A bit sneaky , but very telling had you done this . I am saying that they would have chosen all of A or B , but we will never know that because the cat is out of the bag .
    As for your results being incontestable , that just won't happen in the real world .
    The debate continues , like it or not .
    This is the problem with beginning with such a definitive and absolutist premise .
    You may insult me and call me names if you wish , I can handle the slings and arrows , but the debate is not over .
     
  12. otterhound

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    Yes , a player can greatly affect these things .
    I am aware of your patent and I am fine with it being successful .
    I am only now introducing my invention to the world , so time will tell .
    One thing is for sure , the use of it was requested almost immediately by a very respected archtop builder named Carl Barney once he saw a crude drawing .
    I have a feeling that others will follow once the concept becomes known .
    I will be attending a meeting of the New England Luthiers on Dec. 6 and will be presenting my design for critique .
    Take a look at their member roster and you will find some very skilled names . I'll let you know how it turns out afterward , good or bad .
    It certainly is useful .
    Are other luthiers using your patent ? Have they requested license to use it ?
    I wish you success .
    As far as qualification is concerned , I believe that all that is required is that you sign on to the site .
    Finally , I believe that you would change your mind after actually seeing my design in action .
    Now , this started out as a debate of tonewoods , didn't it ?
     
  13. TKOjams

    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    That's not the reason I locked you out on FB. get over yourself for god sakes....

    much like any thread you're involved in, I'm sure this one to, will spiral into a pile of condescending, holier than thou BS.
     
  14. otterhound

    otterhound New Member

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    What is the reason ?
     
  15. Michael_P

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    those bars just above the tuners that give the break angle you talk about...that's just one more point where binding can occur...

    slotted head stocks are old school, head stock angle should be made to give desired angle...your system surely allows usage of different things, but as I note slotted heads are old school and these days are pretty much done for aesthetic reasons only I feel except for classical style where perhaps total weight of machines might be of some issue...

    either way, good luck with your endeavors on that subject...I don't prefer the Fender style of headstock chosen because of using a 1x4 piece of wood to keep costs down...I'd rather either waste wood or do a scarf joint to achieve a tilted head
     
  16. otterhound

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    It does not happen .
    I am not using terms like may , could or possibly . Friction is not an issue .
    Whether you like it or not break angle matters .
    You are comfortable with your status quo and that is fine .
    The placement of the tuning machines is what provides the additional break angle . My design simply make the slot not required .
    As a side note .
    I have found that this setup allows for consistent tuning down to pitch instead of the typical tuning down in order to tune up to pitch .
    Finally , I did not choose a single plane neck for the reason that you want to impose and I have more wood than you could possibly know .
     
  17. TKOjams

    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    I'll skip all the drama...and state it simply...

    I don't like you.
     
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    So much salt in this thread too O_o
     
  19. TKOjams

    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    LOL, and what do the two threads have in common???

    :hmm::rofl:
     
  20. otterhound

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    Honest opinions . :hmm:
     

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