The debate over tone wood will soon be over.

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  1. Dave Locher

    Dave Locher Member

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    I still can't believe you went to all that trouble, but I'm glad you did. Thank you. I have always been curious about how Big the effect of the wood would be. Now I know. And anyone arguing with you is just plain odd.
    I don't understand why anyone would care? You're not trying to claim that all mahogany will sound exactly like yours, or that all maple sounds exactly like yours, only that using two different kinds of woods sounds different. I would think that would be pretty obvious but I have read enough on the Internet to know there are plenty of people who are convinced the wood doesn't matter at all. Such is life...
     
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    I was convinced with the first test, but good on you for shutting up the haters.
     
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  3. rusdfh

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    Thank you. Gear hogs should be all over this to argue they need yet another guitar. Off the subject the amp used has same slight tremolo all the time like my Vibrolux. It has irritated some band members I have worked with for years, there is always one in the crowd.
     
  4. Michael_P

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    methinks the haters are motards that never ever took any physics or advanced mathematics...seriously. I can't believe some of the drivel I see online about his subject. Been playing for over 35 years and it's OBVIOUS woods do make a difference in an electric guitar. :io:

    and yeah, I hear the difference also...even on cr*ppy laptop speakers

    :yesway:

    unfortunately the only solution for the haters is the "final solution" :dude:
     
  5. aeleus

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    Nicely done, Ken - thanks for doing this. Before this, I thought the wood contributed maybe a little to the tone, but I was surprised how much of a difference it made.

    Damn. One more thing to worry about for my next build. :hmm:
     
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    I also would like to thank you for taking the time with this well thought out and carefully performed experiment. I think you followed the scientific method and came up with a conclusion. I'm mostly an acoustic guy the difference between maple and mahogany are quite drastic and that's when they both have the same spruce top. It's confusing to me that people would refute the difference you were trying to prove.http://www.luthiertalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=867&d=1447211899
     

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  7. TKOjams

    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSpgAiuDpSY[/ame]
     
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  8. otterhound

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    They sound the same to me .
    Maybe someone will expend the effort to define the difference here for me to digest .
     
  9. Adam

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    What are you listening through? If you're listening through crappy speakers it might not be so obvious. It's very obvious when you listen through headphones or good speakers.
     
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  10. Michael_P

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    the maple axe is brighter, the mahogany one is chunkier...and that is observed on a crappy laptop
     
  11. TKOjams

    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    That's a really sad statement from someone who sells "tonewoods" :rofl:
     
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  12. otterhound

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    Non Provisional Patent # 14/887,456 .
    Received a request to use my design by a luthier at the Woodstock Invitational Luthier Showcase in October and considering that offer .
    How are your patents doing ?
    I have a few more in the planning stage in my creative little random access grey matter program .
    Oh yeah , if you take notice , you can discern small differences in how you picked the two examples and I won't mock you .
     
  13. otterhound

    otterhound New Member

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    I will make a suggestion , if I may .
    Play the darned things instead of trying to copy your every move on each .
    The real world of playing music is what it is all about out there .
    Therein lies the answer .
     
  14. Michael_P

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    guess you didn't pay attention to a previous post about THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD

    :io:
     
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    Having a patent doesn't automatically improve person's hearing... :rolleyes:
     
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    Now to use the gathered info to make the perfect tone guitar
    Something like this
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  17. otterhound

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    This is an inside reference that you have no knowledge of .
    I will go no further than that .
     
  18. TKOjams

    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    Or one's personality...
    :cool:
     
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  19. otterhound

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    Apparently you require input .
    The scientific method would have eliminated the variables .
    This would require a non human to produce the effect of playing .
    When you find the human that can repeat movements exactly and precisely while picking a string , I will be here to question that .
    You see , good science stands the test of scrutiny . It welcomes it because that is the crucible which removes the impurities .
    There is another factor that science requires and that is the need to repeat the results .
    Another aspect that should be addressed is that the evidence was not presented blind .
    You and I saw the instrument being used .
    Now , if you want to go into opinion ..........
     
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    *yawn*
     
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