The debate over tone wood will soon be over.

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  1. 87hdrush

    87hdrush Member

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    Well from an engineering standpoint the only flaw I can see with the test is the two guitars need to be the same weight to make a fair comparison. The maple guitar is going to be heavier. Maybe test as built then make the weight equal and test again. From my experience unplugged will make a difference. (Strat vs LP) But it's hard to say what results two different woods with the same weight and the same setup will yield. I do think however weight will be a factor, if only in sustain. In acoustics there is no argument there is a difference. can't wait to see the results in an electric!
     
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    Good video and I agree If you are shown disrespect, block them. I don't get why anyone would act that repulsively towards you when you are doing an honorable project. It just shows the crudeness and childness some people have. I am looking forward to see what your outcome is and I can't think of better guy to do it.

    Gary
     
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    otterhound New Member

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    Was wondering when .
    Thanks for the shameless plug .
    I do appreciate your open mindedness towards this .
    I know people , including myself , that have managed to convince themselves of many things over the years .
    Onward through the fog !
     
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    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    if I make one lighter then the body dimensions will be different...Wood weighs what it weighs, if that's part of the differences between them....then so be it.
     
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    Makes sense, I guess if you factor in weight you could just compare two Les Pauls, one chambered and one non chambered.
     
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    "Weight" opens another can of variables. I'm with Ken on minimizing the variables. Where you remove the weight and the resulting shape of the guitar and its resonances would be another comparison build. That you could probably do with one build; start with an oversized Bo Diddly and keep trimming and recording as you carve and drill it down.

    Can't say I'm surprised that Ken's gotten trash talk, but just saddened.
     
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  7. Duplex Dave

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    WooHoo! Can't wait for the results! Make sure you post some links here because I don't do the Facebook thing...
     
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    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    Okay, Duplex Dave. :)

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycTiL8qgVkc[/ame]
     
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    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    Part 4


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-7JtLqq0JY[/ame]
     
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    This deceased Equine has been so badly beaten I am surprised there's anything left of it.

    ALL OF IT MATTERS.

    Woods / amps / Cabs / Speakers / pup's / Quality and fit of hardware / Temps and humidity at the time of harvest / drying times in the kiln... shop conditions at time of build.....To the final source of a major variable... the players FINGERS....

    It's a cumulitive total, a sum of all it's parts.

    and there is NO WAY to EVER build two instruments exactly the same, it is just NOT possible when you are dealing with such a organic variable as wood....

    Even as close as same specie from the same tree.


    But Believe what you like....

    we have the scientific method for a reason.
     
  11. TKOjams

    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    I will believe what my results tell me to believe, If you're not interested then don't follow along with the build. IDC. :wave:

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYDCMNgYEPA[/ame]
     
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    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpXJBv8gJlA[/ame]
     
  13. SimonB15

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    I think this is a great experiment! Even IF all of those things matter (and I feel they do), most you would expect to only have a subtle impact. The drastic differences in the wood species Ken is using, coupled with as many constants as he can physically control, should - if tone wood is a factor - produce a tone more different than can be reasonably attributed to the remaining variables if tone wood was NOT a factor in a guitar's sound.

    If the differences in tone between the instruments are only very small, it might well indicate that those mirco non-wood-related differences are the responsible factors.

    Edit: That might not make as much sense as it did in my head :)
     
  14. Knarbens

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    I think it's on the dice that there will be a difference for sure. The more gain you play these with the less it will be noticeable of course.
     
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    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzafOCrmYDA[/ame]
     
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    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    ...and the saga continues...

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6KHsHEWKSo[/ame]
     
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    Knarbens Well-Known Member

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    I'd be afraid of cracking the wood ^^
     
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    I like the laser set up on the pocket jig!
     
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    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    Pretty cool, huh?:D
     

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