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  1. otterhound

    otterhound New Member

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    I am not using a nut at this time .
    Are you able to understand this ?
    Can you accept this ?
    For your information , the height of the saddle is actually lower than the height of a string on a vertical string post if you want to go there .
    i will limit this at this point until you can free yourself from your confusion .
     
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    otterhound New Member

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    I did not , but you just did .
    Thank you .
    The bottom line is that regardless of how you spin this , it works and works very well .
    That is the proof in the pudding .
     
  3. Adam

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    Your zero fret is a nut, and that's where the break angle is so important. How do you not understand basic construction?

    A staggered set will get that height even lower, but apparently you've never heard of staggered tuners either.

    The only proof we have is what you say, and it's not adding up.
     
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    Another mockup. This is assuming a 1/4" saddle, which is what it looks like in your image. This is also assuming the shortest Sperzels offered (.850" height, 9/16" headstock thickness used). I also approximated the placement of the saddles at 1/2" from the center of the tuner. The crude looking Sperzel mockup is actually perfectly to scale, I just didn't want to spend more time modeling this than I had to.

    If there is no clear advantage in break angle, if the design introduces more friction thanks to the saddle, what exactly is the benefit? Maybe slightly easier finishing than a slothead, but anyone worth their salt at finishing can nail that. Otherwise? A properly designed slothead won't have string contact with the neck wood. Different shaped headstocks can be done via not going slothead. Not to mention putting a nearly 145 degree bend in a string...
     
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    Pffff. I just said what the whole hype looks like from my point of view.
    I'm not a fan of it, so no need to thank me.

    Anyhoo, I don't have anything valuable to add to this thread, so I'll just shut up again. :wave:
     
  6. otterhound

    otterhound New Member

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    Flawed premise . Approximations only work in climate change and other theories .
    Saddle height is nowhere near what you are postulating .
    It still works very well .
    As I stated earlier . Build my headstock shape with traditional slots and you will see .
    All you have is supposition and hypotheticals .
    What I have is 2 working examples and they both work very well .
    Now , to build some more .
    Oh yeah , I have not built a slothead or designed one either .
    You need to go beyond your self imposed boundaries .
    It's OK to do that . :yesway:
     
  7. otterhound

    otterhound New Member

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    Tell you what Adam .
    Why don't you purchase one of my guitars and then you can make real world measurements and enjoy playing it at the same time ? :dude:
     
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    Purelojik New Member

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    theres no supposition or hypotheticals, he literally made a schematic of the side view you posted. its great that youre making other designs and all but its just another way to skin a cat, nothing really revolutionary as you believe it is.
     
  9. otterhound

    otterhound New Member

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    And took measurements from a real example ?
    Give me a break .
    Pure supposition and hypothetical .
    His numbers have no basis in fact .
     
  10. Murkar

    Murkar Well-Known Member

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    so much salt in is thread right now :shock:
     
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    otterhound New Member

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    I hear ya .
    My apologies for that .
     
  12. Aaron V

    Aaron V New Member

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    I wouldn't go so far to say it's my favorite looking guit, but definitely would not call it ugly. I agree with others that I feel the tuner saddle could cause issues with string breakage, but I commend you on making it happen. interesting way of rethinking a headstock. More people need to take chances like this. I find most people these days will write off a new idea with the mentality of "if it ain't broke don't fix" but if we all think like that then there won't be any cool new things to look forward too.
     
  13. jayjackson

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    well it dosent look ugly but it dosent look pretty eather.why not scoop/scallop out part of the head stock instead. I would also think that stringing it is harder.
     

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