The debate over tone wood will soon be over.

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  1. TKOjams

    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    I say there will be a difference for sure! Possible factors that make it harder to compare the two guitars as "exactly" the same: neckjoint quality? Nut fit and quality?
     
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    using the same jig for the mortis on both bodies, nuts will be bone, taken from the same bone stock..maybe even use the same nut for both guitars
     
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    Do this with at least 10 examples and then double blind test them with people that have no concept of what is being tested and maybe we'll talk .
    Just remember that you need to include examples of matching and not matching materials .
    You should paint them all identically so the visual aspect is eliminated .
     
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    TKOjams Well-Known Member

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    LOL, what the hell are you talking about???10 examples double blind test:rofl:I'm not taste testing two kinds of cola here
    Two guitars, different wood...how do they sound, pretty damn simple.
     
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    I understand the experiment and I like it. But, are you saying that maple is not a tone wood for electric guitars? It certainly sounds different when used for acoustic guitars, it's unique and people either like it or hate it. As far as a tone wood for acoustic instruments the finest violins and most arch top guitars are built with maple. I am looking forward to your results, it prove that maple is not a good choice for electric guitars.
     
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    I am discussing proof , not opinions .
    You need to repeat your results and try to debunk them .
    Attempting to debunk your own results is where the real proof lies .
    You also need to attempt to build examples that will sound identical .
    You also need to attempt to test the results with numerous people or you are merely producing an opinion .
    In the end , your results may actually be the definitive proof that many have speculated on over the years .
    Have at it and be ready to accept the fact that you may actually end up proving your own personal opinion invalid in the end .
     
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    Otterhound has a valid point if you want to consider your test "scientific" in any way. With only two guitars, you are working under the assumption that a maple guitar will always sound one way and mahogany another. In other words, that there is no (or insignificant) variation within a single species of wood.

    You've handled enough wood to know that two pieces of wood from the same species (same tree even) can vary considerably in their values for density, grain, figuring, sawing, moisture content, etc. - other variables besides species that may affect tone. For two different species, there is likely to be some overlap in the range of any particular value - maybe enough to give them the same tonal properties.

    I love the idea and am looking forward to the results, but with only one example of each, you won't be putting an end to this debate.
     
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    working with the wood I have, as far as moisture content... I would think the an open pored wood such a mahogany may be more susceptible than maple to changes in humidity and maple being that it's tighter grained may hold moisture longer. For this reason I will monitoring the moisture levels in both with a moisture meter, and during the time of testing I will make sure both guitars have as close to, or the same moisture level. I don't have the maple body yet but as of right now, the maple neck has a reading on 9%, the mahog. body is 6% and the mahog. neck is at 5%
     
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    I am willing to donate some silver maple that is wide enough for a 1 piece body for this experiment .
    All I ask is that you pay the shipping .
     
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    Well, I would have to crazy not except such a generous offering.:shock:
    Thank you for that.:wave: PM sent.
     
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    I am curious to learn the results as well .
    This maple has been air dried for at least 5 years .
     
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    Rickenbacker may take issue with saying that maple is not a good choice for electric guitars .
    I had the chance , twice , to plays the 1834 Martin .
    Maple body and very sweet sounding .
     
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    I looking to build two guitars out of two types of wood and see how different they sound...if at all. Don't care about debunking my results.

    The test results will be heard by everyone who listens to the video..no room for opinions, if they sound different who could say they don't and be taken seriously.
    In the end, my findings will be my opinion from then on out.:D
     
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    Damn it! I just read my original post. I left out one very important word.
    I meant to say "It might prove that maple is not a good choice for electric guitars."
    As far as Ricky's go I would say people either love them or hate them for sure, and that's only regarding the maple guitars and basses.
    My Martin expert told me he has only seen about 10 Martins with maple back/sides built in the 20th century. We know it's not from the lack of availability...
     
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    I've made to maple-bodied guitars. They sound good to me, but I'm not a tonewood believer, so what do I know anyway?
     
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    been a little busy with repairs but the time is NOW!!!
    Starting off with the Mahogany body, Mahogany neck version.

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    I really like the shape of that body, TKOjams. The LP'esque shape with a bit of forward rake makes it look like it's going fast.

    I was freehanding a sketch of something similar last night and now that I see your template and the resulting wood you cut I think it looks great. Nice work. :)
     
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